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Thursday, May 15, 2008

Charisma Magazine Speaks Out

Hi everyone,

While I don't want to distract from the letter about the Charismatic Reformation I put out early this morning, I believe this article deserves notice.

J. Lee Grady is the editor of Charisma Magazine and yesterday posted an article that I support with all sincerity. Weeks after writing articles that promoted the Lakeland meetings and even seemed to endorse them, Grady has issued some warnings that I believe echo what I've been sharing on this site for the past several weeks. Here is what he said:

Honest Questions About the Lakeland Revival
by J. Lee Grady

I support any holy outbreak of revival fervor. But let’s be careful to guard ourselves from pride and error.

God is stirring deep spiritual passion in the hearts of the thousands of people who have traveled to Florida during the last month to experience the Lakeland Healing Revival. Since these meetings began in a 700-seat church on April 2, the crowd has moved four times to bigger venues, the fervor has intensified and the news has spread worldwide—thanks to God TV and online broadcasting.

Within a few weeks, the bandwagon effect was in full swing. It’s safe to say that no outbreak of Pentecostalism in history has gained so much international exposure so quickly as these meetings have.

I’m a cheerleader for the charismatic movement, so I rejoiced when I heard the news about revivalist Todd Bentley’s extended visit to Ignited Church. It was thrilling to hear the reports of miracles and to watch the crowd grow until a stadium was required to hold everyone.

"When we put bizarre behavior on the platform we imply that it is normative. Thus more strange fire is allowed to spread."

When I visited a service on April 15, I was blessed by Heather Clark’s music and the audience’s exuberant worship. And I laughed with everyone else as I watched Bentley shout his trademarked “Bam! Bam! Bam!” as he prayed for the sick and flailed his tattooed arms over the crowd. Hey, Jesus didn’t pray for people according tothe Pharisees’ rulebook, so I’m open to unconventional methods.

But I would be dishonest if I told you that I wholeheartedly embraced what I saw in Lakeland. Something disturbed me, but I kept my mouth shut for three weeks while I prayed, got counsel from respected ministry leaders and searched my heart to make sure I was not harboring a religious spirit. The last thing we need today is more mean-spirited heresy hunters blasting other Christians.

I am not a heresy hunter, and I support what is happening in Lakeland because I know God uses imperfect people (like me and you) to reach others for Jesus. At the same time, I believe my questions are honest and my concerns are real.

My motive is not to criticize Bentley or the pastor who is sponsoring these meetings, Stephen Strader. In September 2002 Charisma featured a seven-page article about Bentley’s amazing conversion from drug addiction. I believe Bentley is a sincere brother who wants people to encounter God’s presence and power. No doubt this 32-year-old evangelist needs our prayers now more than ever, especially since he has become the focus of international media attention.

But as the noise from Lakeland grows louder and its influence spreads, I’m issuing some words of warning that apply to all of us, not just the folks in Lakeland. I hope everyone understands that these cautions are offered in love:

1. Beware of strange fire. The name of Jesus is being lifted up in the Lakeland revival, and three people came to the altar for salvation the night I attended. Larger numbers have come to the front of the auditorium to find Christ every night since then.

Yet I fear another message is also being preached subtly in Lakeland—a message that cult-watchers would describe as a spiritual counterfeit. Bentley is one of several charismatic ministers who have emphasized angels in the last several years. He has taught about angels who bring financial breakthroughs or revelations, and he sometimes refers to an angel named Emma who supposedly played a role in initiating a prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. Bentley describes Emma as a woman in a flowing white dress who floats a few feet off the floor.

All of us who believe the Bible know that angels are real, and that they work on our behalf to protect us and minister to us. But the apostle Paul, who had encounters with angels himself, issued stern warnings to the Corinthians, the Galatians and the Colossians about angels who preach another gospel or that demand attention. In Colossae, believers were so enamored with angels they had seen in visions that they became “inflated without cause” by spiritual pride (Col. 2:18, NASB). Paul was adamant that preoccupation with angels can lead to serious deception.

We need to tread carefully here! We have no business teaching God’s people to commune with angels or to seek revelations from them. And if any revival movement—no matter how exciting or passionate—mixes the gospel of Jesus with this strange fire, the results could be devastating. We need to remember that Mormonism was born out of one man’s encounter with a dark angel who claimed to speak for God.

2. Beware of bizarre manifestations. When the Holy Spirit’s power comes on people they may feel weak or even fall. The Spirit’s power can also cause people to tremble, shake, laugh or cry. Such manifestations are biblical and we should leave room for them. But where do we draw the line between legitimate experience and fanatical excess?

The apostle Paul had to deal with outrageous charismatic manifestations in the Corinthian church. People were acting like raving lunatics—and turning the church in to a free-for-all of unbridled ecstatic behavior. Paul called for discipline and order, and he reminded early Christians that “the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets” (1 Cor. 14:32). In other words, Paul was saying that no one under the influence of the Holy Spirit should act out of control.

In many recent charismatic revivals, ministers have allowed people to behave like epileptics on stage—and they have attributed their attention-getting antics to the Holy Spirit. We may think it’s all in fun (you know, we’re just “acting crazy” for God) but we should be more concerned that such behavior feeds carnality and grieves the Spirit.

When exotic manifestations are encouraged, people can actually get a religious high from jerking, vibrating, screaming or acting intoxicated. (I have even been around people who writhed as if in pain, or made sexual noises—thinking this was a legitimate spiritual experience.) But emotional euphoria doesn’t guarantee a heart change. The person who is bucking like an untamed bronco in a church service would benefit more from sitting still and reading the Bible for an hour. When we put bizarre behavior on the platform we imply that it is normative. Thus more strange fire is allowed to spread.

3. Beware of hype and exaggeration. Our hearts are crying out today for a genuine move of God. We want the real deal. We’ve read about the Great Awakenings of the past and we long to see our nation overcome by a wave of repentance. The church is in a backslidden state, and our nation has rebelled against God. We are desperate!

In our longing for a holy visitation, however, we must be careful not to call the first faint breeze of the Spirit a full-fledged revival. If we do that, we are setting people up for disappointment when they realize it may not be what we blew it up to be.

Some of the language used during the Lakeland Revival has created an almost sideshow atmosphere. People are invited to “Come and get some.” Miracles are supposedly “popping like popcorn.” Organizers tout it as the greatest revival in history.

Such brash statements cheapen what the Holy Spirit is doing—and they do a disservice to our brothers and sisters who are experiencing New Testament-style revival in countries such as Iran, China and India. We have a long way to go before we experience their level of revival. Let’s stay humble and broken before the Lord.

I am rejoicing over all the reported healings at the Lakeland meetings. Miracles are awesome. Crowds are great. But miracles and crowds alone don’t guarantee a revival. Multitudes followed Jesus during His ministry on earth, but many of the people who saw the dead raised or ate food that was supernaturally multiplied later crucified the Son of God.

It was the few disciples who followed Jesus after Calvary who ushered in a true revival—one that was bathed in the fear of God, confirmed by signs and wonders, tempered by persecution and evidenced by thousands of conversions, new churches and the transformation of society. We should expect nothing less.

J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma.

In line with these warnings that reach beyond Lakeland or Todd Bentley, I would like to direct your attention to the letter I wrote to the Church yesterday about the needed Charismatic Reformation. You can read it in our new forum, or you can download a printable version.

God bless!
--Art--

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4 Comments:

Blogger Yudhi Gejali said...

I don't know about this "Todd Bentley"

But i think..we have to Glorify JUST JESUS CHRIST..

Not the preacher, not angles, not the miracle it self...

Let JESUS only be glorified...

May 15, 2008 8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Todd Bentley the Beast from the Pit or the anti-christ?
To read some of the posts in the blogosphere on the internet, you would think that Todd Bentley was the Beast from the Pit, or at the very least the False Prophet ushering in the coming of the Antichrist. Tattoos, earings and all!
Todd is evil, he’s a deceiver, he’s this, he’s that, and the other thing. The stories I have read on the internet about him are astounding. I have rarely seen so much hatred focused on one individual. There is one blogger in particular, (Miriam Franklin) (http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com) who seems to have nothing better to do in life than bash what is going on in Florida and the rest of the Christian Community Of course, this particular blogger has been bashing everything going on nearly everywhere else in Christianity, so I am not really surprised.
The fact is that Todd Bentley is just a guy with a past from Canada who got saved at 17. He makes no excuses about the fact that he was in prison, did drugs and OD’d three times the year before he got saved. Those things are in his past. Scripture says that old things have passed away.all things become new. II Corinthians 5:17. It is wrong and sinful to try to bash someone because of who they were before they met Jesus Christ. Period.
If you believe that God does not intend for the modern church to have the power of the early church, you are not going to like Todd. You are not going to like his theology. You are not going to like his visions and his angels. I, however, do like angels and believe in them and I also believe in healing. I don’t like the powerless, intellectual church of the United States. It does not reflect the life of Jesus as reflected in the Gospels and the book of Acts. I choose to believe that scripture applies to the latter house just as it did to the former.
Peter and Paul saw angels. Paul had visions of Christ. Significant events in scripture where always heralded by the appearance of angels. Visions are a normal way of communication from the Lord. So are dreams. The Book of Joel says so. Todd has yet to promote anything that I can’t find in scripture.
People are freaked out because he had a vision where he claimed Paul told him he wrote Hebrews with Abraham. That is a take it or leave it kind of thing. Can you prove Paul DIDN’T? There is stuff in Hebrews that you can’t get from Genesis. There was divine inspiration and divine revelation involved. How God did that is not something He bothered to tell us about. The secret things belong to God. Read Deuteronomy 29: 29.
If having a conversation with a departed saint in a vision that God originated is necromancy, then Jesus practiced necromancy. In Mark 9:1-4 on the Mount of Transfiguration Moses came and spoke with Jesus. Scripture tells us that Moses DIED, so Jesus had a conversation with a Dead guy while he was in the flesh.
I saw dozens of people get out of wheelchairs and walk last night in Lakeland. How many people have we prayed out of wheelchairs, O Heresy Hunters? I saw probably a four to five hundred people respond to the Gospel for salvation in Lakeland this weekend. How many people did you lead to Jesus this weekend, O Heresy Hunters?
Todd is controversial because the church is so DEAD, DEAD!! We should be rejoicing in what the LORD is doing, and not be focused on the vessel God is using. The vessel in this case is just a guy like the rest of us. He’s young, he’s rough and he is passionately in love with Jesus Christ. I have never seen a man so hungry for the Presence of the Lord. Are You that hungry? The Holy Spirit is his best and closest friend.
Todd is not a theologian. That is not his calling. He is an evangelist. His job is to equip the saints to spread the Good News of Jesus Christ. He is doing that amazingly well. I think it is because he is doing that so very well that the heresy hunters are screaming so loudly. His success in AMERICA is exposing the sharp contrast and the failure of the ministries of America to do the same. They are trying to get people to focus on the flaws in the vessel rather than focus on the fact that their ministries are so barren and empty of true, biblical fruit. Shame on you!
Jesus told John’s disciples to tell John that the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk and the Gospel is preached to the poor. Those are the authenticating marks of the true Gospel according to Jesus. Of course, Jesus wasn’t theologically trained so His opinion probably doesn’t count with the heresy hunters either. Shame on them.
Read Mark 16: 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Those are the “RED WORDS” the important Words from Jesus.

LUKE CHAPTER 9:1-2
Jesus called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. Amen!

May 16, 2008 1:48 PM  
Blogger Art Thomas said...

In reply to "anonymous,"

While I agree with a lot of what you said, I certainly do not agree with the tone, the false accusations, or the lack of love being expressed. I almost didn’t want to publish the comment, but I believe you deserve a response, and my readers deserve to see both sides of the coin.

I would like to ask you a question in response: when is the last time you raised someone out of a wheelchair? Or made a blind person see? Or a deaf person hear? Perhaps you have done these things, and I would gladly praise God for it. I’m just saying that unless you have, do not point the finger of accusation using a standard by which you yourself do not abide. For that matter, why do you assume that I have not done these things? I haven’t demonstrated a gift of healing on the magnitude of Todd Bentley—I’ve only been used by God to heal a couple people of cancer. If Todd Bentley is the standard for Christianity, then none of us are saved—not even you (I don’t see you on stage with him…then again, you didn’t share your name).

I’m curious as to whether or not you’ve actually read my blog, because it does not appear that you have. I have not slandered Todd Bentley to my knowledge; but if you can quote where I have done so, then I will gladly repent. That has never been my intention.

I agree with you that there are many "heresy hunters" out there who do not believe at all in the supernatural; but please do not lump me—or those who have been faithfully visiting this site—into that crowd. There’s a difference between being a "heresy hunter" and being a "lover of the Truth." One focuses on every flaw, and the other focuses on glorifying God for what is true and denying that which is false. Big difference.

I feel like the Apostle Paul, who avoided boasting in his own exploits but was pushed into action by accusations like the ones in your comment above. Will I waste time boasting in the angels I’ve seen? The visits to heaven I’ve had? The miracles I’ve worked in Jesus’ name? The visions, dreams, and prophecies I’ve had that came to pass? The hundreds of people I’ve led to Christ, baptized, discipled, or trained? The amount of time I’ve spent in fasting and prayer? Nope—although these are all part of who I am in Christ.

These things are not what validate me. Christ is my validation.

My boast is in the Lord. I wish I had the credentials of Paul—shipwrecked, snakebit, beaten, imprisoned, etc; but I’ll have to settle for rejected, scorned, falsely accused, and shunned by Christians who once called me "friend" and claimed to love me. Then there have been the numerous attempts on my life that have failed. I rejoice to be counted worthy of suffering for Christ, even if it is on a much smaller scale than my brothers and sisters in countries like China and North Korea. I’m no martyr, but I’ll boast in what sufferings I’ve been counted worthy to receive.

I don’t know if you’ll ever come back here to read this, but I will still respond to some of your arguments so other readers can have answers.

You said, "Todd has yet to promote anything that I can’t find in scripture." Even if this is true, it is no different than Satan when he quoted Scripture to Jesus in the wilderness. Satan wasn’t suggesting anything that wasn’t already spelled out in the Word of God. The issue was the context, the application, and the spiritual entity promoting it. Just because Todd’s teachings can be loosely tied to certain scriptures does not automatically make them from God—just be aware of this.

I too believe in angels, demons, miracles, and supernatural power for today; but I also believe in genuine humility, self-control, and deep repentance from sin. Colossians 2:18 says, "Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions."

Furthermore, comparing Todd’s supposed visit with Paul to Jesus’ encounter with Moses and Elijah is like comparing apples and oranges. In Todd’s situation, he says he went to heaven and visited Paul in a little shack. Then the things that Todd shared about the encounter did not in any way glorify Christ—they just made Todd look like he had some sort of secret knowledge. Maybe he did meet with Paul—if that’s the case, then he handled the situation poorly, going into "great detail about what he has seen…" Nothing he said about the experience was of any benefit to the Body of Christ. This is dangerous and sets a poor example for the saints. In the case of Jesus, these saints of old appeared to Him and the disciples who were with Him. And He didn’t come down from the mountain and tell all about the conversation He had with them, what they looked like, or anything else for that matter. See the difference?

As for the four or five hundred people who responded to the altar call for salvation, on one hand I’m excited about this because it is an indication of the spiritual hunger among the people there. On the other hand, you cannot ignore the statistics shared by Ray Comfort in his book Revival’s Golden Key. He told of hundreds of documented salvations at various large evangelistic meetings where the follow-up teams could not find more than two or three people still following Christ after only one month. I wish I didn’t have to sound so cynical here, but going forward in a big meeting, praying a prayer, or signing a commitment card is not evidence of one’s conversion. So while I praise God for the people going forward, I also pray that it is real because statistics prove otherwise.

So, anonymous, if you are interested, I really would be interested in hearing what else you have to say; but first I will ask that you actually read what has been written on this blog so that you do not continue in your false accusations. I am willing to examine the things I have said to see if they line up with Scripture and the nature of Christ. How about you?

God bless,
--Art--

May 16, 2008 7:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charisma’s J. Lee Grady in his article Honest Questions About the Lakeland Revival has a lot of doubts about Todd Bentley and is trying to find answers by talking to others which only manifests that he doesn’t like many things about Todd including his angel and tells us to beware of Beware of bizarre manifestations. Speaking of bizarre manifestations Todd’s mentor is Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, John Arnott.

At TACF Revival services, worshippers have exhibited unusual behaviours that they attribute to an encounter with God and the “fire of the Holy Spirit”. The most common described behaviours include hysterical laughter (or “holy laughter”), physical spasms or jerks, falling to the floor under the Holy Spirit's power (aka “slain in the Spirit”) and speaking in tongues. Other less common behaviours include manifestations that resembled roaring like lions and barking like dogs. At one time the TACF website described it thus: “The Toronto Blessing is a transferable anointing. In its most visible form it overcomes worshippers with outbreaks of laughter, weeping, groaning, shaking, falling, 'drunkenness,' and even behaviours that have been described as a 'cross between a jungle and a farmyard.'" The UK magazine 'Christianity' wrote an article on the subject, also noting, "In one meeting in Dudley a woman in the congregation kept making loud ‘cuckoo clock’ noises during the notices and sermon. Eventually John invited her to come to the front. It turned out that he knew her from a visit to Scotland and trusted her as a secure Christian through whom God had been working."[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blessing

May 17, 2008 5:55 AM  

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